Friday, January 01, 2010

At the table 12/30/09
Lauren Hanisian, Dennis Kinsley, Mr. G., Vlasta Molak, Carolyn  Clark, Alan Weiner, Janice Alvarado, Mira Rodwan, Roberto Alvarado, Miriam Shaw, Ellen Bierhorst, Viddle,  

Quotes:  Margaret Mead (thank to Vlasta),  From Funny Times (thanks Mira), 

"T-Cells and Sympathy"  benefit theater performance (miriam Shaw will be acting) to benefit Caricole House, at Below Zero Lounge on Walnut Jan 22

Next June, big congress of Socialists in Detroit.  United States Social Forum

Vlasta:  every Mon I have Sustainable Living pot luck.  Next Mon will also celebrate 90'th birthday of Gordon Mayhem.  5-7.  Everyone invited.  I live off the grid.  8987 Cotillion Dr 45231  

Janice:  Jan 16 an ImmigrationReform Rally here.  A few months ago, state of Ohio sent notice to auto registration owners who did not report a social security number.  If they haven't reported a number soon, ...  
Sometimes they are arrested and "disappeared" with not notice to families.
Miriam  we are living in a police state!
Dennis:  Sheriff Jones, Butler Co is almost obsessed with arresting illegal immigrants.  
Roberto  I think he is ambitious for elected office...
Dennis  I know him; respect him as a law enforcement officer, but is over the top with this thing.  
... 
arrests of anyone who looks latino.

Topic
Ellen  DEA proposal.... Bentley Davis.  I want to invite a group of Cincinnatians to contribute money to support her so that she can educate us as voters and citizens ...

Mr G:  I like Bentley. ... Many people object to your ideas on paying her.

... lots of people think this is a country run by the corporations, not the voters.  

Vlasta  we have lost our manufacturing section to China... dangerous!

Lauren:  disgustingly large pay for corporate executives...

Carolyn:  Ohio is the worst for infant mortality in the nation and Cinti is the worst in Ohio.  (Ellen:  according to http://www.census.gov/statab/ranks/rank17.html  ohio is 8th in infant mortality.)

Janice  US does rank first in the world in emergency medicine and heart surgery...

Si Lenzbegone:  doctors have not been well trained.  ... my thyroid condition misdiagnosed by many docs.  Same as Oprah.

Mr G:  my understanding is that thyroid is very complex.  Tests look very different according to when they are taken....  There are many diseases in which one has to struggle to get the right levels of medication ... you have to be a good reporter of y our symptoms.  You can kill the best help by over-expectations, unrealistic expectations ...  then there is natural thyroid vs artificial thyroid...  

Some of  the "wholistic" people just make things up.

Si Lenzbegone:  I went to University medical faculty ...  They told me "diet has no effect on thyroid functioning".  A book I read said you are not supposed to take calcium within 2 hours of your thyroid medicine,... was never told this by the doc.  ... I got acne when I was 30 and took antibiotics for 2 yrs, and later learned that the calcium I was taking made the tetracycline ineffective!  
There have been 100,000 deaths every year because of hospital mistakes.  
... Mayo Clinic book, "don't take soy" when you are on thyroid...  I ate a lot of soy and it was aggravating a thyroid condition.

Vlasta  I have PhD in biochemistry, worked for NIOSH, toxicology.  It is very complex.  Nutrition has tremendous impact.  Also exercise.  
I run with people for years in Burnet Woods ... we want to write a book on how it helps mental health.  3 x week for half hour keeps depression away.  

Lauren:  not in my case.  
Mr. G.  In the  world of cancer, of psychiatry, professionals will tell you , if they are good, that if they don't know you individually, they can't evaluate any regimen.  

Ellen   on the danger of simplification...  Mistrust of doctors, science, politicians.  

Mira ... the value of having a complete medical history of  yourself available ...  although it might be an invasion of privacy if it got into the wrong hands.  ...  Geriatricians for instance, need to know and understand lifestyle issues, background, environmental factors.  



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